"Yeah, that was how we met. Same year at Columbia, we shared classes." He can't remember if he's mentioned that or not.

"I... might have? I have an awareness of it, not sure if I actually watched it or just osmosed information about it." The way that happens sometimes. "I didn't want to be a butcher. My father is a butcher. His father was a butcher. My brother is a butcher. I wanted... like you. To a degree. I wanted to be able to buy things I wanted to for other people without having to count pennies. I wanted people to respect me. I like performing, but I'm terrible at acting and singing. It was a lot of things that just sort of..."

He shrugs. "My family said that I was always destined for something else. Too smart to stay in the shop. Too interested in debate and world issues and ethics."