"Yeah, sweetheart, Fisk is a real shitstain." But he's not all that worried about Kingpin, not the way he used to be. He laughs a little, just a huff under his breath more than anything, at how heated Kam is on his behalf. It's really not necessary, but he can't help being touched by it anyway. And with Jessica's addition, okay yes, it makes it worse that it was Matt's idea to take his case. It's getting harder to defend Matt in general here now that he's putting it all together "Yeah, actually. Well, I think Karen helped convince him."

But still. Foggy hadn't been keen on the idea from the beginning and Frank could never blame him.

"If they hadn't taken me I would've gotten life anyway, or maybe yeah-" He doesn't want to make light of his own death though he would have done so with zero hesitation before. Kamala's already had to endure that once, he won't be dismissive of it now. "Point is, Foggy Nelson saved my life with absolutely zero help from me." Pity party firmly back on track.